Im sure Remington engineers started with the .300 H&H case, but it was itself a modification of the .375, so same difference. Handloaders can take advantage of all these, but most commercial ammunition features 120-grain to 178-grain bullets. .280 AI hands-down. This calls for a light rifle. . Essentially, 7mm PRC rifles will be manufactured with match-grade chambers. Nosler AccuBond Long Range. I would expect the 300 PRC to mirror the performance. Use a 1:8 twist and the 7RM will be no slouch. 6.5 PRC or .28 Nosler. For the best experience on our site, be sure to turn on Javascript in your browser. Or just step up to the 7 SAUM and run 180s if you want more weight. As the name suggests, this round is aimed squarely at accurate, long range performance. Long action lone peak. Great availability of components and above all a barrel that will last 1500+ when used like a hunting rifle and cared for. Carefully spaced shots (dont overheat the barrel) always extend life, as does each shooters accuracy demands. As mentioned above, one of the nice things about the 7RM is factory ammo is plentiful and fairly inexpensive. needed another shot behind the head to kill it. When I add this up, I default to the 7mm Rem. Mag. That's what I would do unless you have to have something much faster. Ballistic twins. Hey guys, so Ive kind of decided to give one of these a try in my Desert Tech SRS. My hunting partner just bought a CA Ridgeline TI in 6.5PRC. I neither believe in this minimum nor in shooting elk at 700 yards, but this is impressive performance for a standard-length cartridge nearing its 60th birthday. Fill this brass case with smokeless powder instead of water and, according to some handloading guides, 62.5 grains of Reloder 22 should shove a 175-grain bullet from a 24-inch barrel 2,870 fps. You must log in or register to reply here. In 2001 Remington looked to the old .404 Jeffery case for its ultra-speedy 7mm. Nosler Unprimed Brass 204 Ruger $ 53.82 - $ 208.59 Select options Nosler Unprimed Brass 220 Swift (50) $ 84.99 Add to cart Nosler Unprimed Brass 222 Rem (100) $ 111.28 Add to cart Nosler Unprimed Brass 222 Rem Magnum (250) Unprocessed Rated 5.00 out of 5 $ 215.54 Add to cart Nosler Unprimed Brass 223 Rem $ 50.18 - $ 206.83 Select options Reloading data published in the fifth edition of the Nosler Reloading Guide for the 7mm Rem. Specifically, the larger diameter .284 bullets used by those 7mm cartridges have about 5% more frontal surface area (also known as cross sectional area) than the .277 bullets used by the 6.8 Western (.0633 vs .0603 square inches). For a better experience, please enable JavaScript in your browser before proceeding. Recoil of a 9# Rem. Foot of the Big Belt Mountains near Townsend MT. Thats fast enough to handle most 175-gr. This precision does not mean the 7mm PRC is a long range target round only. Instead, the Hornady-developed RCM case was used to produce the 6.5 PRC. I am very pleased I am shooting retumbo using adg brass which is excellent brass highly recommend, shooting 165 Gamechanger at 3075, 180 Berger right at 3000. Why not back the 28 off and run h1000 or retumbo and cruise along at the same velocity? Just 5 inches of drop at 400 yards and 6.8 inches of wind deflection. #1 Postby Marty Sun Aug 05, 2018 8:38 am. ELD-Match zeroed for MPBR on a 6-inch target zone. Like most of our early magnums, this is based on the belted .375 H&H Magnum case. This is probably too high for real world hunting, but well use it as a standard here for cartridge-to-cartridge comparison consistency.). Said barrels will also be throated long enough for seating such bullets above the powder reservoir. I love my 7 SAUM and would do it again. Crap I don't remember, I'd have to pull a bullet, I've ran H1000, Retumbo and lots of R33, that load was H1000 but I only have the speed in AB. My 28 will not blow the door of the 7 MAX which is why I did not rechamber a 28, I want more accurate load life and no chasing lands around for only a little gain on the very end of trajectory. .672., MV 2,900 fps. Versitile and with the right twist rate can really launch some High BC pills out there. ADG 300 Rem Ultra Mag Brass. For really light and a short action if you reload 7 saum. If barrel quality is equally consistent, run-of-the-mill accuracy should exceed that of most rifles chambered for older 7mm cartridges. There are now at least 14 7mm cartridges being manufactured in the U.S. with several wildcats waiting in the wings. Typical 140- to 175-grain, .284 slugs are wide enough to resist bending (a problem Bell had with tough, thick elephant bones) yet narrow enough to minimize drag. John Whiddons dies are the nicest Ive ever used. Could run the sendero lite or a bartlein magnum sporter I bet Saum simply because its a 7 and you said elk. If you go the Nosler route, look into the freebore for the barrel. bullets, but not the longest and certainly not such long numbers as Hornadys 180-gr. I didnt have any problems finding reloading supplies. And most of the recent data for the rum is also on the weak side. Some of these new cartridges are appealing, I dont think Ill change however. Nothing to call home about, but its solid for any North American game to 7 or 800 yards based on about any standard metric. Running a 7mm like others velocities are really easily to get. They are all throwing the same bullets more than hard and fast enough for anything. Worth considering. Indeed, over the years my 7mms have handled this stuff. Those are some impressive numbers. Therefore recoil is not a problem with bullets of 140-150grs. If you want a shorter barrel, look into the 7 SAUM, 7 RM and even the 7-08 , they'll all get it done nicely. ADG 300 Rem Ultra Mag Brass. Buy Now. This is Not a New Thing. Had same dilemma, went with 7RM because even during the great Obama ammo shortage you could always find 7RM ammo. This rings home with me. The .28 Nosler of 2015 was their solution. How bout building a 280AI. My vote would be for the 7 saum. Brass is not going anywhere as a handloaders cartridge. Trustpilot. Full Member. Once you get some freebore to seat the long, heavy bullets out, it really shines. I dont reload but i see this statement a lot. But if you suspect a 26-inch barrel might be a bit unwieldy, waitll you haul around a 28-inch. While testing some upgraded M700 Remington rifles at FTW Ranch last summer, I simultaneously test drove the pre-release 7mm PRC from Hornady. The difference might surprise you. The Hodgdon technicians used Winchester cases and primers to develop their loads, and they were chronographed in a 24 inch barrel. The 180's will work with a 9 nit the bigger bullets will have a decided edge in the wind. Reactions: Zeroit. I wouldn't do either in a 24" , I would definitely go 26" at a minimum. Not to concerned about the barrel life, you cant expect Ferrari performance and get Prius fuel mileage haha theres always a trade off, I think a mild load in a 28 might be the best of both worlds. A 24" nosler should still outrun a 24" rem mag (all other things equal). I went 7SAUM. LRHTB. I'm going 7-300prc because it'll out pace a 7mag by 100-150fps with all bullet weights at much more manage pressures. If the muzzle energy is higher, it will leave the bullet with higher energy. Arbeidstid: 08.00-16.00mandag til fredagVi vil svare deg innen 48-72 timer. FWIW, the LRM setup that I have on the way was ordered with 16x-class projectiles in mind. I would go 7 LRM if it wasn't for the Hornady brass . Mag. Just $1 per month , The old 7mm Rem. All rights reserved. Run 230-240 freebore this will work for 180eldm, 184, 190,195 Bergers. Registration on or use of this site constitutes acceptance of our Terms of Service. New member question. Of course, this was an overreaction, but at the time millions were convinced the new 7mm was the do-all-end-all of deer/elk/moose and even bear hunting cartridges. For perspective, this is 75 fps faster than most 175-gr. The 7mm PRC in center is the same overall length as the 7mm Rem Mag and achieves the same muzzle velocities, but does so in a fatter case with no belt. I have hunted with a 7mm Rem Mag and a 7mmSTW. The parent cartridge is a shortened 7mm Remington Ultra Mag. Nosler shortened the RUM case, gave it a 35-degree shoulder, and shortened the neck to .276. Great case design, great bc bullets available, more efficient powder burn than most 7mm cartridges, low recoil, and very very accurate. Minuteman. ADG 7 SAUM Brass. Interesting. First, notice that kinetic energy remains above the elk killing minimum of 1,500 ft-lbs at 700 yards. Varme Hansker for Sykling, Lping og Kjring, Stor kapasitet skulderveskeKjp 2, -10%, 18-i-1 snfnuggformet multiverkty i rustfritt stl, Bilkropp plastnagler festing (150 stk)Kjp 2, -10%. Buy Now. . I agree mud, but where does the 284 shehane fall compared to the above cartridges? You want 98.2 grains water capacity behind a seated 175-grain bullet? I have a variety of options on this, as I am planning to do this on a DTA, for which I have both .535 and .585 bolts, and the DTA mags are pretty generous in regard to OAL. How does the 280 AI do with 180 grain bullets compared to the 7mm SAUM? HOWEVER, I don't follow the logic of having to use a 26" barrel if you go the Nosler route. and exactly the same claim is made for the 7mm WSM. The belt has never been an issue for me. Subscribe to OL+ for our best feature stories and photography. For a better experience, please enable JavaScript in your browser before proceeding. Mag. In older reloading books for the 7 rum is its hauling a$$ compared current data. I did shoot a black bear years ago with a 140gr Sierra, ugly. The .308 just has to be quite a bit heavier. Trustpilot. Just FYI before going 7-330NM, check out Long Range Hunting, there is a real long thread on there about the 28 Nosler with the 195 Bergers, just google it. 22 Nosler. Snipers Hide is a community of Snipers of all kinds, focusing on long range shooting, accuracy, and ballistics. One of the most prominent differences between the two is that the 28 Nosler fires a bullet diameter of 7mm or 0.284" while the 300 PRC fires the . Instead they seem to be shooting for the ideal balance among MV, tolerable recoil, wind deflection, and precision accuracy. Som en stor omfattende nettbutikk er hjemsol forpliktet til hjelpe deg med skape et stt liv med vre utskte produkter. Almost through fire forming but ran some pressure ladders with fully formed brass with 180 Berger hybrids, H1000 looks like I'll be at a good max at 3000 fps and R26 3050 fps and I good life. Hornadys 7mm PRC with its high B.C. Ban sober drivers from driving. Nosler brass also undergoes the rigorous quality control that premium Nosler bullets have experienced for over 60 years. The 28 Nosler is also loaded to a slightly higher pressure than the 300 Win Mag (65,000psi vs 64,000psi). The 7mm has a longer barrel and is heavier. I also use and like my .284 Win on a long action. make ideal whitetail and mule deer takers with 140-to 160-grain bullets. They sharpened the shoulder angle. But you pay the price in recoil and that 26-inch barrel. Ive got the same dilemma. Now I am waffling between the 6.5x284 Norma and the 300 PRC. JavaScript is disabled. Will the 156 take down an elk, sure but I would prefer to have a .284 caliber in a biased opinion. Remington claims a MV of 3175 fps and ME of 3133 ft. lbs. My conclusion: if you already own any 7mm magnum for hunting, (7mm WSM, 7mm SAUM, 7mm RM, 7mm LRM, 7mm STW, 7mm Wby. Nosler and Hornady load both 7mm Remington Magnum and .280 Ackley ammunition; looking at their data you'll see a difference of 90 to 100 fps between the two, with the belted 7mm Magnum giving the higher velocities (with a 162-grain Hornady ELD-X, the 7mm Mag. RDF, or Bergers 190-gr. This compromise should account for the slower muzzle velocities many rifles produce with factory loads and safe handloads. Buy Now. The 404 Jeffery sired the majority of Nosler's cartridge line, namely the 30 Nosler, 26 Nosler, and 33 Nosler as well as other cartridges like the 7mm Remington Short Action Ultra Magnum (SAUM). Hodgdon reloading data for the 7mm WSM shows that the 140 grain Nosler Partition spitzer bullet can be driven to a MV of 2979 fps in front of 58.0 grains of H4350 powder. If youre going to tackle an elk or mule deer with a 180-grain bullet at around 2,900 fps, the 7mm version in that bullet weight will shoot flatter, drift less, and put more energy on target than the .308 version. 7 RUM Choose an option 6.5 PRC 6.5 SAUM 7 SAUM 7 REM MAG 7 RUM 28 NOSLER 300 WIN MAG 300 NORMA MAG 300 PRC 300 RUM 30 NOSLER 338 LAPUA 338 RUM 338 EDGE 300 WSM 375 RUM 7 REM MAG BRIGHT 338 RUM BRIGHT 30 NOSLER BRIGHT. 28 nosler is a great choice for the heavies mine is throated for the 195 eols but im gonna try the 190 atips soon. Like all 7mms, they can fire bullets as light as 100-grains and as heavy as 180-grains. Great performance, easy to neck a case down and a simple bushing change gets you great dies. I think the 7saum is here to stay. High-velocity cartridges are high velocity for a reason. Has 260 rounds on it so its fully sped up. If you dont own a 7mm of any kind and want one strictly for hunting, you might as well get the PRC version. Id suggest a similar plan. Using new brass, like Lapua brass, when reloading allows you complete control over the finished cartridge. Fill this with 88 grains of slow burning Reloder 33 powder and, according to the Nosler Reloading Guide 8, you should get 3,211 fps from a 26-inch barrel. Both are great rounds. These drawings will be incorporated during the next revision of the relevant SAAMI Standard. Either is good. I'd opt for the 7RM. A .208 AI would be about the same as the .284 Win loaded right. I run the Berger 180 hybrids at 2900 in my 280 ackley with no pressure signs. During processing the large, soft grains are broken down into smaller ones, which makes for a harder material. Thoughts on a 22 or 23 Barrel in 7mm Rem Mag? Genesis 1:1 NRA Benefactor Life, SAF, RMEF, Memberships "Want to stop drunk drivers from killing sober drivers? But they didnt shorten anything. With RL26 I stuck a case in the chamber @ 3150fps. If your just hunting without extended range sessions I'g use this over the 7rem mag. The 7max performance that Rich advertises is somewhat inflated and HOT loadings. The 7 SAUM is a short-action, magnum cartridges similar to the 7 WSM. The 7mm shoots .284-inch diameter bullets through bores .28-inch across, but only two use this Imperial measuring system in their titles: .280 Remington and .284 Winchester, both excellent but underrated standard velocity cartridges. . The 7mm Precision Rifle Cartridge is a long-action centerfire rifle cartridge designed to shoot 180 grain bullets at 2,950 fps. Categories Mag. The best part is that the recoil is super easy compared to a 300. It will never be as popular as a 6.5PRC or 28nosler, but it has a purpose. Despite all this powder volume, reloading guides all indicate the 7mm RUM tops out at around 3,150 fps with a 26-inch barrel, slightly slower than the .28 Nosler. It slightly exceeds the ballistic performance of the short-action 7mm SAUM on the right. The 7mm Weatherby has the same recoil as a .300 Winchester Magnum, and many shooters can't come to grips with it. And in the chambers of their rifles. The sample Hornady 180-gr. Hornady 7mm PRC overall length matches that of the 30-06 and 270 Win., so it fits standard length actions. bullet wins the wind deflection category. Like you said though, it's pretty tough to go wrong. Im going to run a tikka action/stock trigger with spring upgrade with a 22in carbon barrel and a light weight scope. Jan 1, 2018 2,001 4,006 51 Muscle Shoals, Alabama. ADG makes 28 nosler brass for a great option. Founded by Frank Galli in 2000, Snipers Hide has been offering informational videos, podcasts, and other support to its users in one location. I would go 7 LRM if it wasn't for the Hornady brass . Dec 7, 2019 #14 ; 7 mag easy. The .28 Nosler and 7mm RUM push the same bulletsjust faster. . factory 7mm Rem. This will be a custom built hunting rifle(deer and elk) and will need to be carried long distances. I like off the shelf ammo and its 7 mag, 28 Nosler, 7mm-08 and the 280. Since this rifle will be used sparingly maybe I can afford to go with something a little harder on the barrel. 7RM!! With a 160 grain bullet the Winchester figures are 2990 fps and 3176 ft. lbs. If you go with a hot 7mm, get one with a fairly heavy barrel contour. I'm worried bout the need of a 26" barrel for the Nosler, and hoping to get away with a 24" since I'm trying to run an Ultra 7 with it. These claims are valid if the short magnum cartridges are fired in 24 inch barrels, the same length as the barrels of most 7mm Rem. ADG 30 Nosler Brass. Mag. Most people are getting sub half moa. This is not a rifle you want to weave through dog-hair timber. 195s topped out @ 2950 w/ N570 using a drop tube to fit powder, that primer pocket was loose after. Reloder 33, 7mm RUM 3,150 fps from 26 bl. And with RL33 hes getting 3140 fps (pretty easily), using Retumbo (for it's temp stability) drops it about 75 fps. SAUM can be found on the Rifle Cartridge Page. include more options in rifles and ammo, more accessible and less expensive ammo, less recoil, a potentially shorter, handier, lighter rifle, and longer barrel life. His bolt-action rifle was chambered for the confusing .275 Rigby. Moose by the dozens have fallen to the 7mm Rem. ADG 6.5 SAUM Brass. Its a criterion 26 barrel. Going to be used from antelope to elk. JavaScript is disabled. The structure of the material reveals the hardness. $94.95 $79.95. Both cartridges were designed to work through short action rifles. And that means more powder. Yes, the .28 Nosler wins the ballistic competition with the RUM right on its heels. I suspect the Sherman cases are all running between 70-80k psi on the upper end. As the .30-06 Springfield has a .473 case head and uses the .470 +/- bolt face, any cartridges list on the above two bolt face diameter and action length database charts above, that also use the .470 +/- bolt face, and have a COAL of 3.34 or shorter, will work with .30-06 actions. Nosler Custom Reloading Brass 280 Remington Ackley Improved 40-Degree Nosler Custom Reloading Brass 7mm Remington Short Action Ultra Mag Box N N2TRKYS Well-Known Member Joined When in doubt, pull the 338 out! It's often put head-to-head with other popular calibers like the 7mm Rem. Newer calibers tend to fade quickly these days. The 7mm advantage comes from relatively high BC (ballistic coefficient) bullets in popular weights commonly used for hunting horned and antlered game. But if you are only going to shoot the 160's you may be ok with SAAMI spec'd chamber. As you might guess, there isnt much trajectory/performance difference between the RUM and the Nosler. You say it's long action. The lighter, shorter 7mm bullets are preferred in these short case magnums. yea Im leaning more towards the 28 just cause I dont really want to fire form, I know its not the end of the world but just one more step. Hper du kan nyte shoppingen din her! Part of this is due to the .40 inches of freeborn Remington builds into its 7mm RUMs to minimize chamber pressures on ignition. Piecing together a rifle build but havent settled on what I want to chamber it in. The 7 SAUM offers better performance than the 300 Win Mag in a package that is almost as small as the 6.5 Creedmoor. 7mm PRC vs 28 Nosler The 28 Nosler shoots at faster muzzle velocities, but is an overbore cartridge that requires a very long chamber, with the Hornady hype behind the 7mm PRC, brass and ammo should be much more readily available soon enough. $120.95. The 175/180 class Bullets sneaking along (1/4 MOA) at 2950-ish give or take, certainly not to par with the newer selections. You might think Remington started the 7mm cartridge trend in 1962 with its famous 7mm Remington Magnum, but by then the 7mm Mauser was already well known. 28 Nosler offers excellent performance but brass is spendy and availability is hit or miss . I have both chambered up on the same rifle, the 28 is about cooked so spun up a 7 MAX and maybe in a month I'll get time to pull the trigger more on it, fire forming and case prep amounts to chamfer, add primer, powder and bullet to ADG 7 MAX brass and pull the trigger. Just FYI before going 7-330NM, check out Long Range Hunting, there is a real long thread on there about the 28 Nosler with the 195 Bergers, just google it. Another vote for 280ai if building a light weight hunt rig all the horsepower needed close to 7rm but standard action with room for an extra round. Saw some shiney spots, no bolt lift but did open the pocket a little to the point of a few firings at 3120 fps. 28 nosler is a great case, barrel burner, but if you're looking for say 3000fps w/ 195 at lower pressure, use H1000 or Retumbo, adg/gunwerks brass, and the brass will last you forever, take care the barrel and it may go 1000 rounds. Also, is it worth getting a new rifle in the 280AI when I already have a 270 Win? More than 1,900 ft-lbs of energy at 700 yards. The factory offerings for ammo hold no weight with me, but that probably plays a role in many people's decisions. The only advantage I'd see with the SAUM is using a short action. It went on to prove itself as a grand all-round big game cartridge, becoming the most popular, most recognized 7mm magnum around the world. Looking at going with the 7mag or 28 nosler. JavaScript is disabled. And more recoil. The 180 Berger VLD was my choice for terminal performance. rifles. Retumbo. ADG 28 Nosler. For a better experience, please enable JavaScript in your browser before proceeding. The completed case holds 90 grains of water with our 175-grain boattail spire point bullet seated. 28 has an edge over 7RM on range and power, but as others have stated 7RM already has. They straightened the sidewalls. But if you want to win long range target competitions, the 7 PRC is your best bet. Note: A full length article about the 7mm WSM and 7mm Rem. We are now conversant in 6mm, 6.5mm, 7.62mm and especially 7mm. The store will not work correctly in the case when cookies are disabled. Another indicates 74-grains of Hodgdon 870 will churn up 2,954 fps. Trustpilot. He's loading the 195's to something like 3.730" COAL, well past SAAMI specs. That results in performance like this: Whoa grandma! And heres the same 175-gr. And heres a top load for the 175-gr. Consider that already own a 270 Win with a 22" barrel. This is a long-range dream cartridge for sure. $ 87.00 - $ 145.00. So how do you choose among these three? loads beautifully, delivering them sub-MOA out to 1,500 yards, then a mile just to say I did it. You must log in or register to reply here. IMR 4350 was the most accurate powder tested. And thats part of the reason 7mms are so popular. The 28 is not going to be but about 25-50 FPS faster and it makes little difference. Great extraction and wide nodes with many powders. Teddy Roosevelt was so impressed that he used the 757 as a basis for what became the .30-06 Springfield. Here, the hardness is nearly twice that of around the neck. Engineers made three modifications that ensured popularity: they shortened the case to fit standard-length actions. Mag., 7mm RUM, 28 Nosler,) you dont need a 7 PRC. Its likely to be as popular in the 21st century as the Rem Mag was in the 20th. The 175 ELDX load Ive been using is so good no reason to try newer powders or bullets. It is based on the fat, belt-free 404 Jeffery case, but Nosler likely just started with the 7mm RUM which is itself a modified Jeffery. Pros and Cons of the 7mm PRC So far on order, The Sherman requires case prep and fire forming which is rounds off of your barrel life unless you buy a hydroforming die $$$$$, Caliber = internal diameter of a barrel bore, outside diameter of a bullet. Mag. What was your 28 Nosler load with 180s at 3080? Furthest down, around the primer pocket, the brass should be firm. Pros, cons of both and reasons why. Some are claiming as little as 600-round barrel life for RUM, 1,000 rounds for .28 Nosler, 2,000 for Rem. Recoil with a brake should be not bad at all even with the light rifle. Clearly Hornady wasnt trying to break any speed records with the 7 PRC. 7 saum and 7 rem mag seem like good compromises. Im in the market to start a new build. But with laser rangefinders one can easily compensate for the slightly greater drop of the 7mm Rem. The Nosler Reloading Guide 9 lists a 175-gr. . Mag. Ryan Pierce is a gunsmith, Piercison Rifles, and he is the first person I saw that was playing with the extra freebore. I made the same decision not long ago and went 7mm RM, although barrel life was a consideration for me, which it probably wouldn't be on a strictly hunting rig. By 1,000 yards the PRC has nearly a 2-foot drop advantage and 14-inch windage advantage. Buy Now. Everyone who knows what they're doing headspaces off of the shoulder anyways, and you should not be doing load development with virgin cases, you want to fire form them first so the belt is a moot point. I was tired of lugging the heavy, long, and heavy recoiling 30s around, but wanted more punch than my lighter 6.5CM. ammo. runs at 2940 fps and the .280 AI runs at 2850 fps). Mid-size 7mm cartridges like 7x57 Mauser, 7mm-08 Rem., 284 Win., and 280 Rem. The additional reach is tempting, but Id pay the price with a 26-inch, fairly heavy barrel. Mag. without laser assistance. Trustpilot. 224 Valkyrie. One of the draws to the 7 SAUM is the availability of high-quality brass through companies like Norma and ADG. Articles may contain affiliate links which enable us to share in the revenue of any purchases made. Diver160651 Who cares. Mine shoots factory 160 class ammo at 1/2 MOA (5 & 10 shot groups) in the mid 2900s with SD in the mid teens. Mag. But then none have put it all together quite like Hornadys new 7mm PRC (Precision Rifle Cartridge.) Read Next: Small Calibers for Big Game. Arbeidstid: 08.00-16.00mandag til fredagVi vil svare deg innen 48-72 timer. Remington and Winchester went to short, fat, unbelted cases for their latest 7mm magnums, the 7mm Remington Short Action Ultra Magnum and the Winchester Short Magnum. JavaScript is disabled. Ron Spomer I already have a few 264 caliber rifles. ELD-Match, Noslers 185-gr. Now lets check out the 7mm RUM. ADG 7mm Rem Mag Brass. $89.95. Thanks, BnG. Absolutely nothing special or difficult about reloading belted cases. For the best experience on our site, be sure to turn on Javascript in your browser. It may not display this or other websites correctly. Which one would you choose and why? Barrel life is always a concern with maximum velocity, so-called overbore cartridges. According to SAAMI specs, instrumental velocity of the 7mm PRC is 2,950 fps when driving a 180-grain bullet. Copyright Ron Spomer Outdoors document.write(new Date().getFullYear()) Mine has a 30 Rock Creek. 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