Orgy? And isn't this the mistake that many of the film'scritics made, reading Ziegler's story as 'ruining' the mystery,desublimating the film's narrative by means of an all-neat-and-tidydenouement? Again. '<<<<<<<<<<< I think it is clear he was > referring to the Somerton party. And the redeemer's pubic hair is also trimmed the same. > People often don't make definitive connections between things at the > moment. You saw her volunteer to sacrifice herself so the orgy managers would let Doctor Cruise go free. >>>>>>>>>>>> And if this firgure was Ziegler, why would he subsequentlysend a naked masked woman over to Bill for his benefit? "anachoronistic Deleuze and Guattari? The Daily Planet may go under too. Even had Alice found it in the cadenza, would she have recognized it as meaningful and taken it? Masks - both literal and figurative - are a major motif, and one of the most important sequences is when Bill infiltrates a masked sex party at a remote mansion, which is being held by members of high society. When I did this, at first it seems like a similar, but different face, but then seeing one frame of the bathroom scene from a certain angle, it jumped out at me that it was the same person, but I could be wrong. ". Barcaluv. Tom Cruise in the Masked Ball ritual scene from Stanley Kubrick's masterpiece Eyes Wide Shut with Jocelyn Pook's haunting score filling the temple. The rhizomatic uncertainties and> > uncanny inconsistencies multiply >> "Rhizomatic uncertainties"?>> I actually had to look that up. What else could he call it? we talked about this about 8 years ago on this newsgroup . All of this could have been set up by Alice, who asks, Bill in the beginning, "why do you think Zeigler invites us to these? Eyes Wide Shut is Stanley Kubrick's final movie starring Tom Cruise and Nicole Kidman, but what does the mask on the pillow near the end mean? This is still a mystery. I enjoy the mystery entirely and will return to it over and over and could watch the film again and again. Bill is still even denying he knows what Zeigler > is talking about till Zeigler says "I was there at the house. WebSynopsis. [Some irrelevant pseudo-Buddhist gibberish snipped]. Weve got a beautiful feminine version of the lead mask that features a baroque pattern and crystal embellishments, as well as a feathered mask similar to the >>>>>>>>>How would he recognise him, know him, given that they were all >>>>>>>>>wearingmasks? Those critics of EWS must have > been delerious. at the ceremony/orgy. And isn't this the mistake that many of the film'scritics made, reading Ziegler's story as 'ruining' the mystery,desublimating the film's narrative by means of an all-neat-and-tidydenouement? Indeed, the film iscentrally concerned with the failure of a 'male-centric' andpatriarchal ideology to deal with female desire; and the narrativethrust of the film revolves around Bill's increasingly hopelessefforts to flee from (but also to copy and avenge) Alice's desire, adesire from which he is completely excluded, just as he is laterexcluded from the desire-space of the power-elite at Somerton. For instance,it's fairly obvious from the start who the Mysterious Woman is. WebBrowse a wide selection of eyes wide shut mask woman and face coverings available in various fabrics and configurations, made by a community of small business-owners. ", "Victor what can I say. > It's totally clear the "party' in this reference, is Somerton. How? :>I thought this film was much less interesting than the competing film. Same voice. The point, however, is that even if all three female> 'characters' are the same woman (and so, effectively, the same> character), this serves to set up even more contradictions, not to> mention buying in to Ziegler's warped, patriarchal world."<<<<<<<<<<>. It's just idiotic. In keeping with the filmmaker's quest for perfection, the shoot for Eyes Wide Shut famously rolled on, with the movie holding the record for the longest consecutiveshoot, as filming began in late 1996 and wrapped in mid-1998. It seems evident that Kubrick carefully selected the Rothschild-owned location and hand-picked the masks worn by participants of the ritual, echoing real-life families and events. And of course how did > the mask get on his pillow? How? He stares down at her but that'sit, and Kubrick tryied in vain to tlel his stories visually so itshould be considerd from a visual perspective. If he wereZiegler, wouldn't he instead be going out of his way to privatelycommunicate with Bill, to get Bill out of Somerton as quickly aspossible in order to avoid any possible trouble (and as Zieglersubsequently admits, Bill's gate-crashing 'made me look like acomplete fool')? That is what she was" implying that her death> is of no consequence because of the low-status manner in which Ziegler> chooses to define her (an identity created and perpetuated by the> Zieglers of the world in the first place), earlier confirmed by his> desire to get the drugged-out Mandy out of his bathroom and house> ("Can we put some clothes on her and get her out of here?" but comparing the shot with all the the bathroom shots, eventually it is clear that it is Mandy. Other interpretations are floating around, including the idea Alice was also at the party, and while there's no set meaning for how the mask got on that pillow, the idea Alice put it there herself seems to be the prevailing theory. First of all, Mandy must have felt some connection with Bill since he was showing her concern and kindness in the Bathroom. --Napoleon. The movie went through post-production following Stanley Kubrick's death, though some have argued about how much it represents his intended vision. 10 Stanley Kubricks Sudden Death. Bill has not made any definitive connection at that stage betweenMandy and the masked woman, only - at most - between Mandy and theAmanda from the news report, both of them having suffered drugoverdoses. NG was :>the realization of that potential. Was she the women at the party?" Please either stop > or> shape up. Statanic mass? The second half of Eyes Wide Shut sees Bill being given ominous warnings from this secret society, and he can't seem to find his mask from the party. ME> Again. Isn't that - again - amazing; except that you're not even unfortunateenough to have a mindless head, given the large quantities ofbubblewrap - and nothing else - between your ears take care, MrKelpless. Clearly, of course,the Somerton ritual is a mirror of Ziegler's party (with each event inmany ways serving as the 'truth' of the other): whether its Mandy atthe party or at the ritual or at both, the outcome is still the same:a corpse in a morgue. Statanic mass?>, > <<<<<<<<<>>>>> But which 'party' is Bill referring to? Changes within the building seem to lack that phone booth sense of urgency and drama. People and Masks: The Meaning of Eyes Wide Shut. I'm your Mutineer~ - Warren Zevon- -. As opposed to arborescent: two contrasting concepts central to muchphilosophical debate over the past few decades (see, for instance, thework of philosophers Deleuze and Guattari). People were dancing, there was music wearing costumes, and although > it was strange, calling it a "party," would not be unusual in the > slightest. It is only when Ziegler responds> positively to Bill's question, "The woman at the party is the woman in> the morgue?" S he was the same woman who overdosed at Victor Ziegler's party earlier in the movie. That is what she was" implying that her deathis of no consequence because of the low-status manner in which Zieglerchooses to define her (an identity created and perpetuated by theZieglers of the world in the first place), earlier confirmed by hisdesire to get the drugged-out Mandy out of his bathroom and house("Can we put some clothes on her and get her out of here?" It is only when Ziegler respondspositively to Bill's question, "The woman at the party is the woman inthe morgue?" for the morgue scene but it is still meant to be the same Mandy. Web .
1925 . >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Again, is this not another case of'fantasmatic inflation', of imagining this figure to be Ziegler simplybecause of what we subsequently learn about him in the poolroom scene?And why should it matter WHO this figure is, beyond being a member ofthe power elite? and then Bill says, "..you can't keep doing > this," Mandy says, "Ya." He's super modern too, so his favorite movies include Jaws, Die Hard, The Thing, Ghostbusters and Batman. <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<, > This is still a mystery. > The way Zeigler confirms it was Mandy is matter of fact and it isn't as > though Bill seemed surprised at this--even if the audience might still be > confused.>, > 2. >Apparently word of Bill's entry into the ceremony/orgy traveled fast. "My Sex Slave video with Chinese subtitles"http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NjMIROKzH7s, ZKD 788-http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B4N4vSijHTM, Im Treibhaus (Wesendonck Lieder) - Richard Wagner - Faynehttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QOhxWdGuQd4, When he claps his hands together. In one of the final scenes, Bill comes home and as he comes to bed he sees Alice (Nicole Kidman) sleeping next to the same Venetian mask he wore at the party. WebEyes Wide Shut (1999) Abigail Good: Mysterious Woman, Masked Party Principal Showing all 3 items Jump to: Quotes (3) Quotes Mysterious Woman : Stop! He was a master ofthatslight of hand stuff. But what he was getting at was whether it was > murder and a sacrifice for him, which makes him feel responsible, since it > would not have happened had he not been there. Which all suggests that Ziegler didn't actually knowabout Bill's presence at Somerton until he removed his mask <<<<<<<<<<<<. Somerton could hardly be described (andcertainly not by Bill) as a 'party.' Ironically, that is just what power (and Ziegler)> would want you to believe - that the world of power and power elites> doesn't exist, is just all a charade anyway, that those who do> recognise the realities of social power and of desire are just> paranoid conspiracy nutters (when in fact it is those who> attribute all that occurs in the film to 'a dream' who are being> properly paranoid). in fact if you look very closely, Mandy on the Slab, winks. What does the mask on the pillow at the end of Eyes Wide Shutmean? The point, however, is that even if all three female'characters' are the same woman (and so, effectively, the samecharacter), this serves to set up even more contradictions, not tomention buying in to Ziegler's warped, patriarchal world."<<<<<<<<<<. On Friday, July 17, 2015 at 5:36:03 PM UTC-4, JD Chase wrote: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NjMIROKzH7s, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B4N4vSijHTM, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QOhxWdGuQd4, byend.removethisbityousillyper@eskimo.com, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=inLfK535oxs. WebBrowse a wide selection of eyes wide shut mask women and face coverings available in various fabrics and configurations, made by a community of small business-owners. WebThere are constant hints throughout the film of it being a story about one man's ego and insecurities. But examine the frame showing the overhead shot in the morgue, with all the shots of Mandy in the bathroom. <<<<<<<<< You can identify Pollack's eyes and chin quite easily in the close ups.>. Same voice. - Zieglerwasn't concerned about her health, just eager to get rid of her so asto avoid any potential social embarrassment, "Bill, this is justbetween us"). -- Steven L.Email: sdli@earthlinkNOSPAM.netRemove the NOSPAM before replying to me. I am normally the last guy in the, > world to criticize somebody for using big words. But it isn't clear at all, and nobody in the film refers to the eventsat Somerton as a 'party.'<<<<<<<. The poolroom scene is an amazing piece of extreme understatement, while at the same time, being simplke and concrete. that Bill first makes this connection, or at least, hasit confirmed by someone else (Ziegler)", Ditto. Models at the party attended by the Royal Family. ", "I saw her body in the morgue. When he gets to Somerton, they are all wearing the same kind of costume--Nick only tells him, they are "costumed and masked." The 'mystery' is how SHE knows that he is an interloper. I agree though, he hadnt made a defintiive connection yet. 2. There's also search enginessuch as Google where you can search for information. A powerful man realizes one night that his wife has had not one but myriad <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<, -- Dennis/Endyhttp://home.comcast.net/~endymion91/~I was born to rock the boat. Bill was not yet sure it was Mandy from the bathroom, till he happened to see the news story and saw the name "Amanda," then it started to come together. We need some upstart director and SK devotee who can channel SK, to Make EWS part 2. But it isn't clear at all, and nobody in the film refers to the eventsat Somerton as a 'party.' This is Eyes Wide Shut revisited. >>>>>>>>>> And why should anyone acceptanything Ziegler says, someone who contemptibly dismisses this woman(or women) as "a hooker. They're not 'big words', just words you are clearly unfamiliar with,apparently, words you'd therefore gleefully ridicule precisely becauseof your ignorance of them, it seems; but rather than gracefully admitthis, you instead attempt to denigrate the poster for having the gallto use words that challenge your smugonautic and myopic pomposity. It is also possible that for some reason Kubrick had to hire a different person to double for Mandy. Let's get out of here.You're my witness. The most obvious answer is Alice found the mask and left it out as a way to let Bill know she knew something was going on. Alot was going on, he had to figure it out. WebThat particular Royal event featured masked women who were as NOT dressed as those in the Eyes Wide Shut ritual. -- Steven L.Email: sdli@earthlinkNOSPAM.net, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oB6g66OYoKI, "Steven L." wrote in message. > He didn't recognise her voice. The twenty-something woman confirmed she and her partner Leonard are polyamorous. Given how upset she appeared following his confession, it's very unlikely she knew exactly what he was out doing, however. --alt.flame Special Forces"All successful software gets changed." But he can't know for sure (because she wasmasked at Somerton). He wasn't positive. What a joke to call them "philosophers." Yes, the three scenes - at Ziegler's party, at the Somerton ritualthe following night, and at the hospital morgue the next day - thatfeature Mandy/the 'masked woman' - remain ambiguous to the end. Take another listen. However, as we might imagine, there were many who believed his death was far from natural. The genre of Stanley Kubricks last film, based on the well-known story of the Austrian A. Schnitzler, The Novel of Dreams (1925-1926), can be interpreted in different ways. The official cause of death was from a heart attack. And you bring up anachoronistic Deleuze and Guattari? The goal of yoga practice was to STOP all that useless babble---because that is how a person actually makes the breakthrough to see reality as it is. (meaning the Mysterious woman) "victor the woman lying dead at the morgue was the women at the party, well victor, maybe i'm missing something heyou call it a Charadetell me what kind of Charade ends up with someone dead.". You know perfectly well what was meant, Mr Glib Pedant but if youwant to Labour on it, as opposed to labor on it >> [ more stuff snipped ]>> > Similarly, when Bill reads the media report about an Amanda Curran> > suffering a drug overdose in a hotel, why does he immediately make a> > connection with his own recent experiences (and in a coffee shop/cafe> > that set-wise is actually the very same building that earlier served> > as Millich's Rainbow Fashions)? Simply because we don't really know the extent of the "charade," from the Illuminatii/Secret government etc, OR what SK really had in mind---to blow our mind. > Well thats all true, but of course that was SK making a masterpiece and > one of the most amazing films ever made IMO. >, but, besides that you're> not bothering, even, to use them correctly, the way that you are using them> serves to obfuscate rather than clarify your meaning. In fact, the only actual dream in the film is unseen, is onlylater described - namely, Alice's dream/nightmare about having sexwith numerous men (strikingly similar to the fate of the women atSomerton) in which Bill is openly humiliated, and told to Bill justafer he returns from Somerton. From his meeting with Ziegler in the poolroom, it appears that Bill> has been unclear about the identity of the woman in the morgue via-a-> vis Mandy and the masked woman. But that's not the half of it. --And men fancied he was dusted in gold. >Even in the morgue he still might not have> been positive, but he replays her voice in his head while looking over the> body. Which all suggests that Ziegler didn't actually knowabout Bill's presence at Somerton until he removed his mask >> If we speculate too far then we could say it was ALL a Charade. Its common sense he was referring to Somerton as the party. That is a possible explanation. It is odd that Bill would remember his patient he hadn't seen in at least a year, owned "Rainbow Fashions?" <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<. > If we speculate too far then we could say it was ALL a Charade. > certainly not by Bill) as a 'party. Why would he demand that she take offher mask if this were so? He did not know who she was: she was wearinga mask. (meaning > the Mysterious woman), ME"So..Victor the woman lying dead at the morgue was the> women at the party, well Victor, maybe i'm missing something > but what kind of Charade ends up with someone dead.". They paid off the desk cleark to tell Bill, that Nick was being roughed up, or perhaps the clerk is one of those men dancing with men at the ceremony/orgy and in fact Mandy, although on the slab was not really dead. That is what she was" implying that her deathis of no consequence because of the low-status manner in which Zieglerchooses to define her (an identity created and perpetuated by theZieglers of the world in the first place), earlier confirmed by hisdesire to get the drugged-out Mandy out of his bathroom and house("Can we put some clothes on her and get her out of here?" Again, how is it 'clearly' the same voice? >>>>>>>> And even if it was clear, even if he hadreferred directly to the events of the night before as the (Somerton)party, it would still be uncertain, because, 1. it is clearly the same voice as the "mysterious woman." Yes, and we could speculate even further: there are no dream sequenceswhatsoever in the film, Alice's story about the navel officer being arecollection of her past desires, not a portrayed dream as such atall. >In a big crowd of masked> people, Zeigler (his eyes give away who he is). Some will sink but we will float.Grab your coat. And of course how did the mask get on his pillow? Tragically it was the director's final film with Kubrick dying less than a week after screening an incomplete cut for the studio and its stars. Her pubic hair is trimmed just like Mandy's Pubic hair. andpleading with her to take off her mask? One intriguing reading of the Eyes Wide Shutmask being on the pillow is that it's only in Bill's head as if he's exhausted by trying to hide his attempts at infidelity or true feelings from Alice, leading to an emotional breakdown. The movie is based on the 1920's novella Dream Storyand Kubrick developed the project for decades, and once considered a slightly more comedic take with Steve Martin in the lead role. that Bill first makes this connection, or at least, has> it confirmed by someone else (Ziegler)", > Ditto. When Bill thinks hes just about to score his own sexual liaison, his charade is exposed. He did not know who she was: she was wearing> a mask. However, the lack of one may have saved the life of gangster Vincent (Mad Dog) Coll (various movies). because Bill didn't get to see him up close like the film audience. Again, how is it 'clearly' the same voice? In the bathroom scene, there is no way to tell if Mandy has that freckle, because of her slouched position, which also makes it hard to tell her height in relation to Bill. -- Fred Brooks, I think I saw the "Rhizomatic" for sale on TV Late last night. andpleading with her to take off her mask? If he wereZiegler, wouldn't he instead be going out of his way to privatelycommunicate with Bill, to get Bill out of Somerton as quickly aspossible in order to avoid any possible trouble (and as Zieglersubsequently admits, Bill's gate-crashing 'made me look like acomplete fool')? He could choose to call it many things, but 'party'? WebThe protagonists mask (Bill Harford, interpreted by Tom Cruise) is a Venetian mask that covers the entire face. As for Kelpzoid's rants on the topic - isn't there a RAW Illuminatusng out there somewhere? Somerton could hardly be > >>>>>> described (and. I actually had to look that up. Well at least you're ostensibly modest enough to acknowledge yourunfamiliarity with such a concept, but then you proceed to betray yourdumb, sniggering agenda by perpetuating your ignorance with adismissive, anti-intellectual fart: > My extra-fat dictionary yields the> following: "rhi'zome, n. A rootlike stem under or along the ground,> ordinarily in a horizontal position, which usually sends out roots from> from its lower surface and leafy shoots from its upper surface.". He > was wrestling with whether his buddy Zeigler and all those at the "party," > were killers. 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