"If information comes in from the public or other forces we act on it.". Jones was ruled out at the beginning of May, 2019. In 2008, a DNA profile of the suspect was extracted from her clothes, possibly the oldest one in the world to . 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"We realise whoever did this might be dead, but if he is alive and in his 80s or even 90s we would like to see him behind bars," said Muriel's great-niece Claire Phillips, speaking about developments last October. Photo added by Graceti. [7], The next day, Drinkwater's body was found in the woods by a police inspector. In 2008,Detective Chief Inspector Paul Bethell located Muriels blue coat, underwear, and school uniform in police storage. This was a very small, close knit community and everybody knew everybody and everybodies business. If information comes in from the public or other forces we act on it. VIEWER DISCRETION IS ADVISED. taken from one of Jones many nieces or nephews in Wales would prove conclusively if Jones was or was not Muriels killer. South Wales Police's Specialist Crime Review Unit has today finally ruled out Jones - who died from cancer in 1971 - from their investigation. Great questions! Why? ~ Christine. Learn more about managing a memorial . Mr Hall, who was intrigued by the unsolved crime, says friends of Muriel remember her as the ``perfect pupil''. Detective Chief Inspector Mark Lewis, head of the South Wales Polices Specialist Crime Review Unit announced to the press in May 2019: The results of the forensic examination categorically confirm that Jones was not responsible for the murder of Muriel Drinkwater. ~ Christine. As always you can unsubscribe at any time. A familial DNA profile was extracted using a technique called Y-STR, but no match was found in the national DNA database. Holly Ann Campiglia was a Jane Doe until she was identified in 1992. Joseph James DeAngelo, the suspected Golden State Killer, The real waking the dead: This schoolgirls savage murder has mystified police for 62 years. http://www.tcbmediarights.com/screeners/dark_son.html. Pinterest. Muriel Drinkwater was a young Welsh schoolgirl. But he was later released and served in World War II before his military career ended in 1946. 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', Glamorgan Police and men of the 169th Bomb Disposal Unit make a break for a meal during their search for evidence after her murder on June 27, 1946, Jones, originally of Abertillery, South Wales, is a suspect in the killings of six women in London in the 1960s. But Muriel, who was known locally as 'The Little Nightingale' because of her beautiful singing voice, never made it home. Video, 00:00:42Dog found alive after 23 days under rubble, Watch Kate beat William in spin class endurance race. "(The murder) turned our family upside down and has been talked about through the generations. (My belief now is that the suspect he referred to was Hubert Hoyles who as a 13 year-old boy had come into contact with Muriels family shortly before her murder. Mark Lewis by email of this fact but my email was ignored. The electoral register having been suspended because of the war means details are hazy about where he ended up - although he did eventually resurface in South London under the name Harry Stevens, leading some to believe he was also Jack The Stripper - the serial killer who battered and strangled a number of women across the capital during the 1960s. Hi James. Swansea 12-year-old Muriel Drinkwater, who was shot after being sexually assaulted in 1946 Now, a team of former detectives and crime experts have re-investigated the case, dubbed the 'Little. Their bodies were found buried in a Carmarthenshire kale field in 1953 you can read the full story here. Due to advances in forensic technology, we have been able to look again at evidence from the murder in 1946 and I am now able to rule out Harold Jones completely as a suspect in this case.. Read about our approach to external linking. 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Murder of 12-year-old Muriel Drinkwater in 1946 is being probed 73 years later Police thought a stain on Muriel's coat would link death to Harold Jones But they have now confirmed a test. Wales documentary screened at 10.30pm on Sunday 8 November 2020 spent a full 5 minutes suggesting that 2 books found in a Carmarthen bookshop recently had been taken from Muriels schoolbag in 1946 as trophies by the killer. Can you explain please. Victor said that the programme had made him suspicious as to whether Florences killer Harold Jones who had been released from a 20 year prison sentence in 1941 for the Abertillery murders was responsible for 12 year-old Muriel Drinkwaters death. Thought to be one of the oldest pieces of crime scene evidence in the world, it was initially used to rule from suspicion someone who had been spotted close to the woods on the afternoon Muriel was attacked. Her murder became known as the Little Red Riding Hood murder. If true, it could have placed him in the area at the time of Muriel's murder. Heres hoping one day soon Muriel gets some semblance of justice. Thanks again for sharing this. D.C, Paul Rogers, independent of Victor Penalunas theory, contacted me by phone and told me that his research had led him to believe that Harold Jones may have been Muriel Drinkwaters killer. 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She had been attacked on the lane and then she was dragged to where the body was left.". [3] In 2008, a DNA profile of the suspect was extracted from her clothes, possibly the oldest sample in the world to be successfully extracted in a murder investigation. Thomas was born on July 22 1880, in South Thomaston Knox Maine. Police believed 12-year-old Muriel Drinkwater (left) might have been a victim of a notorious serial killer Harold Jones when she was raped and murdered in 1946. The D.N.A. "Looking through the paper work, we could see the materials had left the crime scene, where it had gone, where it had been examined. They pieced together evidence from the time, used new forensic breakthroughs and links to other cases in the area to identify who they think murdered Muriel in the most horrific way. Video, 00:01:20WATCH: Key moments from PM's NI Brexit deal speech, EU Chief on NI deal: 'We were honest with each other' Video, 00:00:36EU Chief on NI deal: 'We were honest with each other', The 'smart suit' that is changing children's lives. [8] Scientists successfully retrieved a DNA profile from this stain. Hi. Oftentimes the public wonders why resources should be allocated to cold cases such as Muriels, cases in which most of victims immediate family, and even the perpetrator, are likely dead. Both girls were murdered in woods within a half mile of their homes. "[14][5], In 2020, the BBC One documentary Dark Land: Hunting the Killers suggested that Ronnie Harries could be the murderer. Then for 3 years he was registered at Colinette Road Putney as Harry Stevens. We are hoping to make a BBC documentary (follow on from Dark Son) to see if we can shed any new light on the case. On 29 August 2021, I sent the following email to Freedom Of Information at South Wales Police. It was also tested against the DNA of one Harold Jones, a convicted double child murderer who slayed two similarly young girls in Abertillery in the 1920s, to see if he might be the perpetrator. Margaret went out into the yard and her and Muriel exchanged waves. [4] In 2019, the DNA was used to rule out notorious Welsh murderer Harold Jones as a suspect. You will need a male dna profile from a decendent on harold joness family tree. She was last seen at 2:30 p.m., singing as she headed for the one-mile walk to her family's home, Tyle-Du Farm. Thanks for reading and for taking the time to share your thoughts. He described the search for the clothes that had been taken from the crime scene. Colin Dark suggested the possibillity of using D.N.A to identify who took the books into the shop with the hope of identifying the killer. The police have a Y-STR profile from Muriels coat. 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Video, 00:01:20, WATCH: Key moments from PM's NI Brexit deal speech, EU Chief on NI deal: 'We were honest with each other' Video, 00:00:36, EU Chief on NI deal: 'We were honest with each other', The 'smart suit' that is changing children's lives. We got a partial profile, given that it was the oldest cold case with a semen stain on it that we had been working on.". A US Army Colt .45 service revolver was used to shoot Muriel Drinkwater, 12, in the chest, after her killer had beaten and raped her. Ms Drinkwater was seen by her mother in the distance. Thanks again and take care. MLS breaks attendance records on the opening weekend of the new season as both Charlotte and Atlanta welcome over 67,000 fans - more than the average crowd at 13 NFL teams! 'All historic murder cases, often referred to in the media as 'cold cases,' are allocated to the Specialist Crime Review Unit and remain under active consideration and will be subject of re-investigation as and when new information is received or when there are advances in forensic science. Adding: Please may I make a comment that the information that I request would be available via computer in an instant. Video, 00:00:41Watch Kate beat William in spin class endurance race, Record numbers of guide dog volunteers after BBC story. I had informed him that Harold Jones had been living incognito in various West London locations after his release from prison in 1941. [15] There is evidence that Harries was employed by Drinkwater's father, John, at the time of her death. In August, the police appealed to the U.S. public for assistance, as many Americans had been stationed in Penllergaer during the recent Second World War and there was a possibility one of the servicemen had sold the weapon. If you have any information about Muriels murder, please contact the South Wales Policevia email at[emailprotected], Mystery of 1946 murder in woods BBC News article, The real waking the dead: This schoolgirls savage murder has mystified police for 62 years. ADVERTISEMENT BY ANCESTRY.COM. After discussing this development with Muriels niece, myself, Muriels niece and a number of of her nursing friends came to the same conclusion that if Jones daughter isnt his biological daughter then Jones could not completely rule out Jones as a suspect. Police records from the time show that Muriel's mother was the last person to see her alive. Importantly, though, the DNA results cleared Hoyles of any involvement in Muriels murder. Welsh author Neil Milkinsargues that Harold Jones,a convicted murderer who killed two girls in Abertillery in 1921 when he was just 15 years old, was Muriels killer. from Ron Harries and his cousin and from Muriels coat and yet are not releasing the results of the tests. Officers are now examining a semen stain on Muriel's coat to see if it can be linked to Jones. [10], Police visited every house within 150 square miles and interviewed 20,000 men in Swansea and in neighbouring Aberdare and Carmarthenshire. Drinkwater, a 12-year-old schoolgirl, was raped and shot in the woods in Penllergaer, Swansea. Neil Milkins. She was was found murdered in 1980 in a field in Dixon, CA. Hi Neil. The True Crime Files is dedicated to all things #TrueCrime. Some time after speaking to D.S Lloyd-Evans, D.N.A. Neil Milkins. On this podcast episode, we cover the unsolved cold case of Muriel Drinkwater. [12][13], For more than a decade, Welsh true crime author Neil Milkins theorised that notorious child murderer Harold Jones (19061971) was responsible for the murders of both Martin and Drinkwater. Positive reviews really help others find our show. This was no spur of the moment event. During the course of the investigation the finger of blame had sometimes been pointed at Muriel's father, John. Regards. Now cutting-edge forensics to rival any TV thriller have identified her killers DNA Daily Mail article, Unsolved: The Little Red Riding Hood murder Sword and Scale article, Muriel Drinkwater murder file is declared secret at request of police The Sunday Times article. Bethell was thrilled to discover that on the back of the coat, a no-longer visible dried semen stain was circled with yellow crayon. Bethell sent the coat toDr. Colin Dark, and over the course of three years (MUCH longer than depicted on television and in the movies) Bethell analyzed the material and was able to extract enough fragments of DNA tosuccessfully create a Y-STR profile from the semen stain. It truly is baffling and I cant help but wonder what they are trying to hide (and why!). Regards. She was shot twice in the chest. DNA was taken from the relatives of both Muriel and Ronnie Harries but the results have not been made public. "I have spoken to Muriel's family and bring them up to date with the latest details of this investigation. There is no doubt about that.". All the best with pursuing answers in this case, and please keep us updated. Sometime later that afternoon, Muriels mother Margaret glanced out of her kitchen window and noticed Muriel approaching their property from approximately 400 yards away. On June 27, 1946, 12-year-old Muriel Drinkwater made her way home from school in Penllergaer, Swansea (UK). 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South Wales Police some years ago announced that a potential suspect Hubert Hoyles had been cleared of Muriels death through DNA profiling. It was believed the victim's clothes had been lost. With the help from a niece of Muriel Drinkwater I pursued my research which led to South Wales Police taking a D.N.A. Have a great week! This will conclude a 10 year wait to see if Jones was indeed Muriels killer. I suggest reaching out to a DNA expert and seeing what insight they might be able to provide. Dubbed the 'Little Red Riding Hood murder', the 12-year-old had been killed amongst the undergrowth at Penllergaer Woods whilst on her way home from school one June afternoon. Dear Sir/Madam. Twelve-year-old Muriel Drinkwater was a choirgirl who dreamed of being a schoolteacher. Her body was eventually found in a nearby lane, but it was the discovery of her handkerchief in the shops shed which saw Jones accused and stand trial for her death. I personally think it was someone still in the area from the Second World war. He could possibly be a rival farmer and or business owner, we can tell the Drinkwaters run a business due to the fact that Hoyles bought eggs from Margaret Drinkwater, near to the death of Muriel Drinkwater. Learn more about managing a memorial . I am in regular contact with a niece of Muriel Drinkwater who has told me that members of her family gave South Wales Police samples of their D.N.A.. Find records of Muriel Drinkwater . Hey Babes!I'm back with another True Crime Tuesday case and todays case is about the murder of Muriel Drinkwater also known as the little red riding hood mur. https://www.abc10.com/amp/article/news/crime/prison-inmate-accused-42-year-old-homicide-in-dixon-area/103-535ec3ad-2aa1-4d10-94a7-aafe4f6081ff, We are thrilled to announce that remains discovered in 2017 in Sanford, Maine at a building site have been identified. Sadly though, this has proved not to be. Video, 00:01:18Record numbers of guide dog volunteers after BBC story, One-minute World News. She was seen by her mother from a distance of 400 yards away, but before Muriel could arrive. He died at that address in 1971. Police are closer than ever to finding her killer. All Rights Reserved. I have a special interest in this case as I too was brought up in Penllergaer. OnJune 27, 1946, twelve-year-old Muriel Drinkwater made her way home from school inPenllergaer, Swansea. "Due to advances in forensic technology we have been able to look again at evidence from the murder in 1946 and I am now able to rule him out completely as a suspect in this case. Muriel was murdered 16 years before I was born, but it was a story I had heard from a young age. Although the decision was made immediately it took nearly 7 weeks until 16 August 2021 to get a formal decision. I am leaning towards it being a targeted attack, in part because of the positioning of the perpetrator as you mentioned. And I also think there are likely more victims. Would a nephew definitely suffice to prove a link to Harol Jones and the crime scene stain on Muriels coat. In the days and weeks that followed, police officers visited every farmhouse and cottage within 150 square miles, along with interviewing 20,000 men in Swansea, Aberdare and Carmarthenshire. Thank you Christine. He could not be placed at the scene, and the DNA ruled him out of the investigation. In the days and weeks that followed Muriel's murder, police officers visited every farmhouse and cottage within 150 square miles, along with interviewing 20,000 men in Swansea, Aberdare and Carmarthenshire. Over the years, South Wales Police have fought tooth and nail to prevent me gaining any information under the Freedom of Information Requests Act. In a Welsh village during the summer of 1946, a 12-year-old girl is brutally murdered. 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